Fundies are Nuts
More Islamic Idiots
Featuring Floyd of the Flies
Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
Engineers are the Fodder for Terror
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II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ floyd_of_the_flies `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
floyd_of_the_flies: Why is it that the Muslims imposed onerous taxes on Jews and Christians
floyd_of_the_flies: as an effort to force conversions
Talha_Abdullah: floyed why west has 40% tax on people ?
NiqabiNinja: Muslims under Shariah have MORE FISICAL responsibility than they do
Talha_Abdullah: did you ask them?
Talha_Abdullah: does that bother you floyed?
NiqabiNinja: and that tax that you are complaining about is used for your protection and in the community
NiqabiNinja: Muslims are required to give zakat REGULARLY, not annually like that tax you are complaining about
NiqabiNinja: on top of the 2.5% of excess wealth during ramadan
floyd_of_the_flies: From the point of view of the Muslim rulers, jizya was a material proof of the non-Muslims' acceptance of subjection to the state and its laws,
NiqabiNinja: So don't come in here and complain that you have it so bad because you aren't a muslim under Shariah
Talha_Abdullah: floyed asnwer to me ? about west?
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ Dr-Haquani `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
Talha_Abdullah: why you live in west contries?
NiqabiNinja: When muslims under SHariah have more finanicial responsibility than YOU DO
Talha_Abdullah: they are opresing you floyed
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ repent today `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
Talha_Abdullah: 40% taxes !!!!!
Talha_Abdullah: this is killing people
Talha_Abdullah: making them slaves
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ braveheart_2000_1 `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ Abu Samak `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
floyd_of_the_flies: In return for the tax, those who paid the jizya were permitted to keep their non-Muslim religion.
NiqabiNinja: grrr ABU GET BACK FROM PRAYERS
bahja o1: Welcome back
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ Simposa `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
NiqabiNinja:
NiqabiNinja: DOT HIM I WANT THE MIC
floyd_of_the_flies: Not as a right but something they had to pay for
NiqabiNinja: NINJA IS FIRED UP
NiqabiNinja: wait Floyd do you even have sound?
Talha_Abdullah: floyed waiting for you asnwer ?
floyd_of_the_flies: Their economic and political security was guaranteed by the Islamic state, provided that they accepted Islamic control.
Talha_Abdullah: flo , why avoid me ?
floyd_of_the_flies: Actually it wasn't garanteed as we have learned from history
NiqabiNinja: Floyd, under Shariah, Muslims have MORE FINANCIAL RESPOSIBILITY THAN JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
Talha_Abdullah: nikabi dont waste breath with him
Talha_Abdullah: he is not aswering why he is accepting opresion in west ??
Talha_Abdullah: 40% taxes
floyd_of_the_flies: The jizya was used for paying the salaries of state servants, pensions and on charities. In some instances, however, it ended up in "private" treasuries as we have seen with the kleptocracies prevelent in islamic countries
Talha_Abdullah: in some places more
NiqabiNinja: mah just dot hiim please
floyd_of_the_flies: Cairo Geniza documents, suggest that the burden, at least for the poorer classes, was heavy.
NiqabiNinja: he's not responding to any replys
Talha_Abdullah: no admin here sis
Talha_Abdullah: and dont worry
Talha_Abdullah: sis
Talha_Abdullah: we are used with their lies
NiqabiNinja: i just saw bahja say she was back!
bahja o1: Welcome back
NiqabiNinja: <.<
NiqabiNinja: stupid bot
Talha_Abdullah: they only do benefit to islam with this , they make people to read about islam
floyd_of_the_flies: According to Abu Yusuf, jurist of Harun al-Rashid, those who didn't pay jizya should be imprisoned not to be let out of custody until payment.
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ samiriya `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
Simposa: as-salam alai kum
bahja o1: Wa Alaykom-assalamu Wa Rahmatu'llahi Wa Barakatuh
II ABU-FAHAD II: Wa 3alaikumus-Salaamu wa ra7matul-Laahi wa barakaatuh Simposa
floyd_of_the_flies: It is not permissible to exempt one person, while obliging another to pay jizya, nor is jizya to be reduced
Talha_Abdullah: they only do benefit to islam with this , they make people to read about islam
Talha_Abdullah: wa alaykum salam
bahja o1: Wa Alaykom-assalamu Wa Rahmatu'llahi Wa Barakatuh
Talha_Abdullah: dont worry sis naikabi
NiqabiNinja: ALLAHU AKBAR
floyd_of_the_flies: If someone had agreed to pay jizya, leaving Muslim territory for non-Muslim land was punishable by enslavement if they were ever captured. Instituionalized state slavery
NiqabiNinja: ALLAHU AKBAR
NiqabiNinja: TAKBIR
NiqabiNinja: TAKBIR
NiqabiNinja: -.-'
floyd_of_the_flies: from the point of view of the Muslim conqueror was a material proof of the payer's subjection to the state and its laws.
floyd_of_the_flies: The Main crime of the Jews under colonialist rule was their rejection of Dhimmi status
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ ordinaryjoe `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ LycanthropicLunaHybrid `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
floyd_of_the_flies: FOr some reason this bothered the Muslims more than anything
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ uACTdffrntOnline `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
NiqabiNinja: TAKE BIR
Talha_Abdullah: do you see sis nikabi , he is so poor that he things somebody will read his words , lol
NiqabiNinja: ALLAHU AKBAR
NiqabiNinja: ALLAHU AKBAR
NiqabiNinja: ALLAHU AKBAR
Talha_Abdullah: Allahu akbar
floyd_of_the_flies: YOu see they think they should be in controll no matter how badly they rule
Talha_Abdullah: asnwer floyed?
NiqabiNinja: what is making me angry is that there isn't JUST ONE ADMIN in the room out of 30 people to dot this fool
Talha_Abdullah: why you live n west?
Talha_Abdullah: 40% taxes there?
Talha_Abdullah: its ok sis
floyd_of_the_flies: Why is it that Muslims emeigrate from Muslims contries and then are upset that the western countires aren't Muslim?
Talha_Abdullah: just dont bother yourselef with him
Talha_Abdullah: floyed answer me?
Talha_Abdullah: why you live in west?
Talha_Abdullah: if you dont like taxes ?
Talha_Abdullah: go and live in jungle ,there is no taxes there
Talha_Abdullah: :]
floyd_of_the_flies: For the parents this isn't a problem because they get the economic bebefts but for the children raises with the myth of muslim superiority this causes militancy and bombings
floyd_of_the_flies: Amid all the discussion of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab and his activities prior to boarding flight 253 for Detroit, the fact that he spent three years in London studying mechanical engineering has attracted relatively little attention.
floyd_of_the_flies: A degree in engineering has no obvious connection with terrorism or religious/political extremism – and yet some research published earlier this year suggests it may be highly relevant.
floyd_of_the_flies: Looking at the educational background of known militants, Diego Gambetta and Steffen Hertog found that "engineers are three to four times as likely as other graduates to be present among the members of violent Islamic groups in the Muslim world
Teeha41: yo Floyyd go jump off a bridge plz
floyd_of_the_flies: In fact, the engineers in their sample outnumbered graduates of Islamic studies by more than two to one.
Simposa: oh its a tape
Talha_Abdullah: -
floyd_of_the_flies: Teeha41 <-- you should read you might learn something
Teeha41: floyd of the fools
Talha_Abdullah: floyed take a glass of water and jump in it
floyd_of_the_flies: the fool on the hill sees the sun going down but the eyes in his head see the world spinning round.
NiqabiNinja: ha
Teeha41: lol Learn your lies and trash no thanks
NiqabiNinja: a
Talha_Abdullah: hahaha , teeha
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ nasaradin_1 `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
floyd_of_the_flies: the fool on the hill sees the sun going down but the eyes in his head see the world spinning round.
NiqabiNinja: go take a LONG walk off a SHORT pier
Talha_Abdullah: learn , hahaha
floyd_of_the_flies: the fool on the hill sees the sun going down but the eyes in his head see the world spinning round.
Talha_Abdullah: -
NiqabiNinja: GO TAKE A LONG WALK OFF A SHORT PEIR
Teeha41: there are enough idiots in this world like floyd of the fools
Simposa: is teeha41 in the room?
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ By_the_Pen `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
floyd_of_the_flies: NiqabiNinja I know how to swimm do you?
NiqabiNinja: MAH
Talha_Abdullah: --
Talha_Abdullah: -
NiqabiNinja: yes i do
NiqabiNinja: i can even do the butterfly stoke
II ABU-FAHAD II: Welcome --´ yochanan_1 `·.-- to Dialogue between Muslims and Christians
NiqabiNinja: how about you?
floyd_of_the_flies: One was the "relative deprivation" of engineers in Muslim countries and the other was what they called the "engineering mindset".
Talha_Abdullah: -
By_the_Pen: Asalamu Alaikum wa rahmatulah
bahja o1: Wa Alaykom-assalamu Wa Rahmatu'llahi Wa Barakatuh
NiqabiNinja: walaykum salam
bahja o1: Wa Alaykom-assalamu Wa Rahmatu'llahi Wa Barakatuh
Talha_Abdullah: Wa Alaykom-assalamu Wa Rahmatu'llahi Wa Barakatuh
Teeha41: floyd why dont you go sit on a stinky log with your flie family?
NiqabiNinja: walaykum salam
bahja o1: Wa Alaykom-assalamu Wa Rahmatu'llahi Wa Barakatuh
Teeha41: fly*
floyd_of_the_flies: Relative deprivation" happens when high expectations or ambitions run into high levels of frustration. In Muslim societies engineering is an elite profession and the entry requirements set by universities are correspondingly high.
Simposa: bahfa is an admin
NiqabiNinja: LAILAHA ILALLAH
NiqabiNinja: BUT NOT HERE
floyd_of_the_flies: Engineering has also been promoted by governments in the Middle East and elsewhere as part of their rhetoric of modernisation and technocratic development.
NiqabiNinja: NONE OF THE ADMINS ARE FREAKING HERE
Talha_Abdullah: -hahaha
floyd_of_the_flies: The rhetoric, however, has not been matched by reality – and the researchers suggest it could be a radicalising factor:
Simposa: oh oh mispelled
floyd_of_the_flies: Individuals with above-average skills selected on merit are, one would expect, particularly exposed to the frustration and the sense of injustice that comes from finding their professional future hampered by lack of opportunities
Talha_Abdullah: lol
NiqabiNinja: its okay simposa i knew what you meant
Talha_Abdullah: -
NiqabiNinja: Silk cacoon
floyd_of_the_flies: How much of this applies to Abdulmutallab as a Nigerian is unclear but, considering his privileged family background, it seems quite likely that he felt he was not getting the recognition he was entitled to.
NiqabiNinja: butterflies
Teeha41: hey everyone can simple put floyd of the fools on ignore in room
floyd_of_the_flies: More interesting, and perhaps more likely to apply to Abdulmutallab, is the "engineering mindset". The idea here is that engineering as a subject – unlike, say, history or literature – appeals to students who like to deal in certainties
NiqabiNinja: n
Talha_Abdullah: yes teeah
Talha_Abdullah: i said to sis nikabi
Talha_Abdullah: sis nikabi just put him in ignore
Talha_Abdullah: ok
Teeha41: Niaqbi sis
Teeha41: use ignore in room feature
NiqabiNinja: it doesn't help anyone else who comes in the room does it
NiqabiNinja: ?>nio
NiqabiNinja: no
Teeha41: I will keep posting it
floyd_of_the_flies: Sue muslims, go put your head in the sand like an Ostrich
By_the_Pen: lol niqabi ninja , i wonder if theres a niqabi angel too.
Talha_Abdullah: nikabi dont worry
NiqabiNinja: because then they will just go 'well the muslims aren't addressing him'
Teeha41: to put floyd of the fools on ignore in room
Talha_Abdullah: by pen ???
floyd_of_the_flies: Is this preponderance of engineers something that applies only to violent Islamists, Gambetta and Hertog wondered, or can a similar pattern be found among other kinds of extremists?
NiqabiNinja: and then we will be the ones that get a bad rep
NiqabiNinja: and not this fool
By_the_Pen: funny nic
floyd_of_the_flies: Among 19th and 20th century anarchists in a variety of countries they found plenty of lawyers, philosophers and doctors but relatively few engineers.
Talha_Abdullah: yes , but your joke was not funny
NiqabiNinja: ya allah
Teeha41: Niqab qwe wont get a bad rep for not answering an idiot
floyd_of_the_flies: Analysis of leftwing revolutionaries since the second world war showed "engineers were never a significant presence" except in Turkey and Iran (the only two Muslim countries surveyed).
Teeha41: he is typinf a bunch of crap
NiqabiNinja: well it will be something like this teeha 'well he was addressing them but they were ignoring him'
NiqabiNinja: they wont care what he's saying
Teeha41: even haters dont like ppl like him
Talha_Abdullah: he typing nothing
floyd_of_the_flies: Intriguingly, though, the engineering-extremism connection found among violent Islamists does seem to be replicated to some extent, though less strikingly, among extreme rightwing and neo-Nazi groups in Germany, Austria and the US.
NiqabiNinja: it will look like we don't have anything to say about it
Talha_Abdullah: true sis teeha
By_the_Pen: ahh sign.. forget it you killed it
NiqabiNinja: all that dude knows how to do is copy and past
floyd_of_the_flies: So we can see that ISlamic Extreme ism is a RIGHT WING phenomenon
NiqabiNinja: from some bigots message board
Talha_Abdullah: people like him , they do bennefit to islam , they make people read about islam
Teeha41: Please everyone put Floyd of the flies on ignore in room
By_the_Pen: were is this information coming from floyd?
floyd_of_the_flies: NiqabiNinja noa a bigot
NiqabiNinja: yes a bigot
NiqabiNinja: youd ont want to hear about the oaklahoma city bomber do you?
floyd_of_the_flies: h ttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/02/extremism-engineering
NiqabiNinja: he was a christian
NiqabiNinja: how about goldstien
Teeha41: Please everyone put Floyd of the flies on ignore in room
NiqabiNinja: he was a JEWISH terrorist
Talha_Abdullah: nikabi sis
Teeha41: Please everyone put Floyd of the flies on ignore in room
Talha_Abdullah: dont waste time with him
floyd_of_the_flies: NiqabiNinja so what, so we take off our shoes at the airport from some christian?
NiqabiNinja: Ted Bundy was christain as well
Talha_Abdullah: sis just put him in ignore sis
floyd_of_the_flies: We take off our shoes because of ISLAMIC extremeism
NiqabiNinja: and he would stalk and kill women
Talha_Abdullah: dont worry
Talha_Abdullah: he canot do nothing
Teeha41: Niqabi u only give him reason to keep going by speaking to him
Talha_Abdullah: yes teeha
NiqabiNinja: we take our shoes off because of A NONEXISTANT THREAT
Oompa-Loompa: assalam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh muslimoon
bahja o1: Wa Alaykom-assalamu Wa Rahmatu'llahi Wa Barakatuh
Talha_Abdullah: just ignore him
Teeha41: when an attention seeker dont get attention they buzzzzzzzzzz off
Talha_Abdullah: yeah
floyd_of_the_flies: SOme Dialogue, Muslims you are a grpoup of intellectual lightweights
NiqabiNinja: Don't you think if some Islamic extremist wanted to do smething that he could be STOPPED!? OF COURSE HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE STOPPED!
Talha_Abdullah: bye bye flood
Teeha41: Niqabi if U dont stop I will have to ignnore you sis
floyd_of_the_flies: IF it isn't dotting people, or booting them, it's threatening people with hell
Oompa-Loompa: floyd didnt i see you dotted in another room b4 lol
floyd_of_the_flies: It's a sickness and is unfuitting for p[eople fo the 21st century
NiqabiNinja: floyd not one person here has threatened you
floyd_of_the_flies: They have in other islamic rooms
Teeha41: Please everyone put Floyd of the flies on ignore in room
Oompa-Loompa: floyd the attention seeker
Teeha41: ty admin
Oompa-Loompa: yes good idea
II ABU-FAHAD II: Yes we dot people
floyd_of_the_flies: No I'm making points
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Teeha41: finally
Talha_Abdullah: floyd , bye bye